#ow: saydie

[sailingseals]

TW a bit of spoilers and blood!!

Saydie!!!!

[ximsol182]

"PLEASE KILL ME, IGGY..."

PS: Just wanted to draw Saydie, how did it turn into this??

[stellareveriey]

Time Passing Through (Our Wonderland Arc 5 Finale Tribute)

(cw: ow spoilers,angst,blood,monster imagery,injury,implied violence towards an child,axes)

Based on Kaden Mckay’s song! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7SERHazw3ss

Here’s more of my appreciation for OWs Finale!

Sorry that it took so long! Life sort of got in the way!

I’ve been working on this for 2 months now so there might be some inconsistencies! My bad!

Characters belong to @just_a_carrot

The backgrounds for some of the drawings aren’t mine. Taken from the game itself.

[colourprinter]

Been drawing some more... Abstract OW art, opinions on this which is meant to be about the start of arc 5?

Wanted to give the feel of a dream you can't fully visually grasp but all the important parts are there, the people are hard to see but the "costumes" they wear are in view.

[just-a-carrot]

WAOWAOWAO CARROT!!!

For my submission I drew the most Important, Best Character of All. Sa🅱ie. She's actually my daughter now, sorry. Sadie is the only one that matters, thank you (RIP Iggy & Genzou, you were my favorites before I saw the light). I drew her wearing The Beanie, but It looks weird lmao. I don't know what else to say so I'll leave it here.

Ignore my mistakes 'cause it's been a while since I've drawn.

LDKAJFSLDKJFALDSKJFALDSK?????

SOBBING THAT SAYDIE HAS FANART HELP

THIS IS EXTREMELY CUTE AND SWEET I'M GONNA JUST SOB NOW

THE ADDITION OF THE BEANIE JUST ADDS TO THE CUTENESS FACTOR

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING??? (let me know in the replies who you want for your headshot 🥺💕)

[ashersbraincell]

I actually think that Frisk would vibe with that weird older-than-actually-is ghost of Saydie a lot. Idk it just feels like they would get along, and besides, Frisk has experience with ghost children 🤷

(Pls send me asks about OurSwap 👉👈)

[filthysavagecreatures]

From Under the Vault: Sleeping Boy Collective Interview

Disclaimer: This was a transcription I found in a notebook. Nowadays, founding members Maria, Paeng, and Alva were part of SBC back then.

I will tell vague details of the people I interviewed from this new group of people I got acquainted with. They call themselves Sleeping Boy Collective. This group was formed as a tribute to their late friend Raffy whose favorite song was "Sleeping Boy the Paranoid" by Funeral Diner.

I remember that it was raining when I went against the trafficky Saturday of summer time 2015 from Parañaque. I even got lost on the way to QC (way, way lost. As far as Navotas) because I was not familiar with the commuting route of the area. This technically was my first time in Maginhawa. It was a blast.

I remember entering the house they were in. As I remember, I recall Alva, Maria, and Grois rents the place. Paeng is always around there.

Maria was helping Clarenz (which was coincidentally, part of SBC as well) set up his offset guitar. They were also hinting a part of a new song they wrote which ended up as "Corpse Medicine" from Beast Jesus' first EP In Various States of Disassembly. After that I was confused and they took me to dinner. I remember before leaving that Alva muttered something like "Uy, wala munang uuwi ha. Manonood tayo ng movie. Wild Tales."

While walking, I asked Maria where did they get a copy of Sunbather. They were heavily into that record back then. They replied, "one of my best friends shipped it to me."

Tim's sister, Tita Thysz gave an improptu tour in Maginhawa as we were walking to that dinner place. She introduced us the place so deliberately, that in my opinion, she can describe Maginhawa with her eyes closed.

Her introduction of Van Gogh is Bipolar, Caution Hot, and the original food park located there caught my attention.

All I remember from that dinner was Tim was eating dinner with red horse beer as his drink, I think Paeng was drinking beer too. I cannot remember the things I have ordered. Maria had this huge Root Beer Float which I regret not ordering the first time I saw it. Alva and Maria have small strands of cat fur in their shoulders, their, backs, well... in basically their shirts. By the way, their cats are friendly and one of them jumped in my lap before we were leaving.

Ocho from Quezo/Franco passed by when we were eating dinner. I was the only one who noticed.

The next stop was dessert! This place which I cannot remember the name of, served locally-flavored iced cream based on the regions of the Philippines. Tim actually payed for my dessert. (He owes me 150 bucks from the Algernon Cadwallader cd I sold him. So technically, we're even.)

This place ended up to be the go-to place where I take my friends whenever I get the chance to visit Maginhawa. Their "Bicol"-flavored iced cream is highly commendable.

Before we went back, Tim's sister had other plans for the night so she won't be coming back with us. Clarenz had to go back home since he's from the South and it's a long ride home.

We bid our goodbyes and the girls and Paeng bought more food and drinks (AKA red horse and pulutan).

While we sat down on their second floor waiting for them, there were are a lot of pedals on Maria and Alva's boards (I remember specifically, Maria showed me his mooer triangle Buff and Boss HM2.) and random guitars that I cannot describe back then. I'm pretty sure there was a Jazzmaster there somewhere.

This whole interview happened because Tim and I were present in the last King Ly Chee show last Friday. I asked him if I could do an interview with SBC because we plan to have an article posted for Timog Bulletin. He invited me to go to their place for the interview.

Kuya Ebong's Timog Bulletin blog was still active back then before he and Kuya Darwin turned it into a podcast a few years later. The next day, I went for it. Unfortunately, the recorded file was lost. This is all that is left and a bunch of interesting memories.

Here is the rest of the transcript which is the interview I salvaged:

Me: Ayun, background check. Ilang taon kayo nung nakarinig kayo ng punk, hardcore, screamo, post hardcore, or anything?

Maria: Anything extreme? Well, nonconventional music, I've been listening to weird shit since I was like what? Seven years old. 'Cause my mom used to work in a music store. I crate dig and I find cassettes that nobody wanted. I got into obscure electronic shit. Stuff like Atari Teenage Riot, Orbital, Chemical (brothers)

Alva (jokingly): My Chemical Romance?

Maria: Mga ganun. (random laughs in the background.) It was eventually when I was a teenager, siguro mga 14-15 ako, I got into stuff from Victory Records tapos-

Tim: Blame Snapcase.

Maria: Oo! Snapcase, Thursday... tapos dahil sa kakapakinig ko sa stuff na ganun parang binibili ko na yung cassettes and cds nila, nakikita ko yung "Thank Yous" nila. Ito like, "thank you to this band and that band."

Nagustuhan ko yung Thursday, baka magustuhan ko rin yung taste nila sa mga friends nila and everything y'know? These bands that they think they acknowledge.

Paeng: What's up brother? (Brings in food and beer)

Tim: What's up?

Paeng: Yeah.

Alva: Haha, biglang may Paeng.

Maria: So it just went from there. I have been listening to non-mainstream music since I was 13-14 until 25 going to 26 now. So that's me, who's chiming in next?

Me: Ayun, bale... lahat kayo.

Tim: Ok, ako naman. Ah, siguro nagsimula akong makinig ng non-mainstream shit nung may nag recommend sa akin na makinig or pumunta ng fourfa (fourfa.com) office mate ko siya sa net café tapos uh, elder statesman namin siya dati sa school. Parang, "O sige ganyan-ganyan ka naman pumorma, ganyan-ganyan ka magsuot, eto pakinggan mo." Or "puntahan mo yung site na to. Ako naman, "o sige." So doon na yun nagpunta lahat.

So... hindi ko siya actually nagustuhan kaagad. I didn't actually save it on the cellphone and played it throughout.

Parang nangyari, nagbackdate ako ng "ano ba yung (pinagmulan)?" Bakit ba sila gumagawa ng ganitong jams? Parang from one thing led to another then you see Revolution Summer (Dischord Records era of hardcore) parang ganun, tapos parang hindi ko pa rin siya napagtripan kaya pumunta pa rin ako ng pababa.

Nakita ko yung DC hardcore. Bands like Black Flag, Minor Threat, tsaka Bad Brains, etc. Saka ko pa lang nakita na "Huh? Eto pala yung ginagawa nila 'tas parang yun yung unang beses kong nafigure out na ito pala yung pwede ko mapag-tripan na kailangan kong sabihin na, "Uy eto ganito, ganito, ganyan." So that was I think in second year high school? Ay! Second year college.

Ah kasi parang expat or migrant coming from Bukidnon, nandito ako sa Manila, wala akong mapuntahan or mapagtripan tapos mainly, skate music lang yung pinapakinggan ko. Not really coming from the mainstream ika nga and eventually it led through there. Then you realize, "uy, masaya siya pakinggan." Ayun, so next is Paeng.

Me: (Very intimidated and a bit shocked that Tim's interview was over.) Ummm...

Maria: The question here is how did you first get into non-mainstream shit?

Paeng: Uh... PureVolume.

Uh... I got into non-mainstream shit because of my upperclassmen. Yung crush ko na girl na upperclassman ko, hinila niya ako on some sort of a date sa campus. Tapos nagsoundtrip kami ng mga... mga Typecast.

In unison: (Everyone laughs.)

Paeng: Tapos binigyan niya ako ng cd ng Typecast tsaka ano... Too Late The Hero tsaka Saydie. Which by the way, ako yung nagpoproduce sa Saydie ngayon.

Tim: And guitarist?

Paeng: 'Di na. 'Di na ako nagsesession doon. Tapos after nun, it became some sort of identity for me. Yun nga yung sort of formative years ng teenage life ko. Sa college, so naghahanap lang ako ng association or identity at that time. Kasi one, ayoko sumali ng frat. Two, mga upperclassmen ko medyo bully. Tapos na ako nun nung mga high school.

Aesthetically, I thought it was y'know... for the girls so sinundan ko yung trend na yun admittedly. Siyempre, naghahanap pa ako ng form of identity nun. Then, after I got out of the surface level aesthetics, I delved in deeper kasi may mga ibang subject matter ng mga usong kanta nung mga emo shit nun that didn't jive well with me.

Kasi una, hindi ako bobo. Tapos, naghahanap naman ako ng emo bands na hindi naman bobo at marunong mag articulate in deeper form or usage of language, hindi lang "Oooh, I'm so sad." or basta mga ganun.

Me: Surface level aesthetic?

Paeng: Yeah. Uhm... then I realized na these are just trendy stuff na nagpapa popularize lang ng mga websites na tinitignan ko. But then, may nakita akong isang page sa forum

*Grois goes upstairs, Paeng gets sidetracked*

Paeng: Where was I?

Maria: You found a forum?

Paeng: Ayun, nakahanap ako ng forum na nakalista ang napakaraming emotive hardcore bands. Ah okay medyo nadistract ako.

*pauses for a while and there was a little chit chat about my tablet's recorder.*

Paeng: Sorry naderail ako sa conversation. Tapos pinakinggan ko yung bands na nakalista doon sa forum. Pagkatapos nun, nakilala ko si Francis (Maria) sa isa pang forum tapos nagdecide kami magmeet up.

Francis wanted to play "chaotic converge stuff" which was what he was currently into that time. Bale, pinagsoundrip niya ako sa mp3 player niya dati tapos iniskip through ko every single one of the songs until narinig ko yung Scarlet (US). Naalala ko dati na sa soulseek kami kumukuha ng files. Si Maria, ginagamit niya pa rin. Ako, I don't have the patience anymore, and there weren't any torrents back then.

Tim: Limewire sucks.

Paeng: Yeah, Limewire sucks. You end up with misconstrued song titles and child porn. So ito yung beginnings into music and the ideology involved rather than the surface level aspect. Hanggang ngayon I still apply this aspect in critiquing and producing other records for other bands and how to interact with them. Dahil sa roots ko sa Davao punk scene, yung idea ng Anarchy tsaka anti-establishment is still implied. Pero narealize ko... everyone is technically a sellout.

Me: Why is everyone technically a sellout?

Paeng: From birth, you're not the one that chooses the lifestyle you're born into. Kapag pinanganak ka, mapa-mahirap man o mayaman ka wala kang choice. Doon ka lang makakapili ng landas mo kapag may autonomy or sariling decision ka na. Ako personally, lumayas ako from home at 16 after namin magkaroon ng argument with my mom. I learned life firsthand. Natatandaan ko nakatira lang ako sa kubo. Tapos yung CR ko butas lang sa lupa.

Hindi ako naniniwala sa sellout na word. Dati nung lumayas ako, isipin mo I was emaciated 5'11" ako tapos para ako yung sa Machinist.

Tim: Si Slenderman hahaha.

Maria: I look like Christian Bale hahaha... from The Machinist.

Paeng: May mga times na tumutugtog yung Capulette (pre-Caitlyn Bailey) tapos mag cocollapse ako. Mahihimatay ako kasi wala akong kinain buong araw.

Maria: Umabot sa point na nag organize kami ng gig para magkaroon si Paeng ng funds for food for one whole month.

Paeng: Tapos nagkaroon ako ng work sa mall serving food. It was then that I realized that we are tethered to the system and if I break it, I will die. But at the same time, if I want to change the system, I have to corrupt it the way it corrupted me. I am trying to do that by implanting myself into the system which indoctrinates the youth, which is the educational system. That's why I ended up landing a job as a professor in Mapua Institute of Technology. So what was your question again?

After this I asked Grois and Alva. As far as I remember in the interview:

Alva Presbitero's first introduction to extreme music was by his kuya recommending her some stuff like Botch and Converge.

When she was studying college in UP, she was involved in an alternative metal sounding band which took a lot from Deftones and Tool called Tabula Rasa.

She was frontman of prog band Game Theory. She was playing guitar and singing vocals with emo/powerpop/alternative group Small Hands alongside Tani Cariño of Neverdie and Chi & Sep of Typecast at the time of the recording of this interview.

I remember vaguely that Grois Enayo started getting into punk when she was in college.

"I just came here to drink beer... what's up?"

While studying, she started to look for bandmates in the PUP, Pulp, and Rakizta forums online. Which Paeng followed through jokingly saying:

"Ahhh... PULPera ka pala dati?"

After that endeavor did not work out for her, she started to look for members again to play Bikini Kill sounding stuff.

At time of this recording, she's a member of the politically-charged band, "Death to Puberty" which Chuck Baclagon fronts and the Shocking Details which where she channels her inner Riot Grrrl roots.

Currently, she is a member of punk group Catpuke and The Shocking Details recently released recorded material a few years back.

After the interview at about 3am-ish they guided me to how to commute to get back home and they went into a bakery to buy Coca Cola and bread I think? I don't even remember how I got home.

[sailingseals]

HIHIHI..Ok sooo i havent posted all of the doodles ive done.. Soo here's a collage of them :3..theres way more but i thought these specific bunch would do just fine.. Most of these are older stuff so some might look quite wonky and off idk!!

TW: one photo includes slight blood!!

[ashersbraincell]

Welp, it’s not like this is their first time up against a long-handled weapon wielding individual who’s killed children. But do we think Bucks would hesitate because they’re, well, ACTUALLY a child? Or would that just make her snap further into anger(since a trigger for her is, well, children, evidently)

Meanwhile,

*as he keeps discovering the items of the human souls* Ermmm, this is a lot more dead children than I’m used to

Then, upon learning about Asgore(since he would likely learn about what Asgore did WAYY before meeting him), he’d probably turn to Chara completely terrified with a sense of foreboding deja-vu like: “…did he kill you.?”

And then they’re just like WTF??? no??? He’s my dad??? I mean yeah he killed the other kids but that’s because he kind of had to?? He’s trying his best??? Yeah he’s a bit of a coward but in the end he would’ve had to kill 7 humans anyway??? It’s all because of me anyway, if only the plan had succeeded…he wouldn’t have had to do this.

(Pls send me asks about OurSwap 👉👈)

[ashersbraincell]

Idk, “Saydie”(the ost track btw) just does something to me on an emotional level. Even before I knew what the lyrics meant(which yes now that I know it only makes it more emotional for me), it just HIT me with this absolute indescribable melancholy-like nostalgia. I get the feeling it’s supposed to be creepy in context, but it’s more harrowing than anything

[just-a-carrot]

Saydie hiiii I know ur a literal baby but u haunt the narrative so I figure I’d acknowledge you 👋👋

[just-a-carrot]

Hmm, since Orlam is back in often requests...

I initially planned to draw something for one question, but I delayed it.

So... If Orlam HAD to babysit Saydie, for example, what would he do?

I've had a lot of thoughts about this🤣

1) Teach her the words, or when she sees Gidget/Iggy/Genzou, she should call them that. (Maybe some complicated words... Or an obligation, hehehe)

2) Just order a nanny.

Or 3) Orlam, you know everything here, you’re smart, you dance and cook well! You could have turned Saydie into a cool kid! I know for sure that you are that cool uncle 😏✨ (HEHEHHEHE I already imagined that after school, Cool, Fashionable, Rich Uncle Orlam would come to her!🤣✨)

4)... Your opinion )

Hope you are doing well, have a nice evening, thanks for the art in advance, they make me smile during hard times ❤️

[ximsol182]

‼️END OF ARC 5 SPOILERS‼️

I'd like to think that this is what would have eventually happened to Bucks and Hunar in the new timeline.

��.and yes, it's a freaking Dark reference

[lookingviewer]

👀!!!!

NOOOOOO!!!

I KNOW IT'S IN JANUARY, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DAY!...

January 7... And now it's 11...

From now on, I will put dates on the calendar so as not to forget...

It's like forgetting Orlam's birthday! This is not forgivable...👀

Hey, Carrot!

I was looking through the character charts and I realized that I missed Bucks' birthday!

And she looks like the type to be sad if someone forgets her birthday, too🥲🥲

Anyway, happy belated birthday to her💜💜

SOB I ALSO FORGOT 💦💦

tbh i don't actually ever remember any of them but because someone always reminds me of genzou's and orlam's i remember those in time to at least draw something small. otherwise i would also forget...

that is why it's so sporadic when i actually do a birthday post lkdjfalsdf

if it's any consolation bucks will have a special art soon that i plan on drawing because it's her zodiac year so i want to draw something for lunar new year 😎

[just-a-carrot]

How does the main five (including Cecil and Hunar) feel about their occupations? Do they all like their jobs or do any of them just do it for the payment?

is this in regards to their jobs in OW or their jobs in OC?? there would be a difference there at least for some...

i'll start with OW:

Iggy: Does enjoy his job for the most part. He likes that he can work freelance from home. And he likes coding and problem-solving. However, he hates networking and dealing with clients. It's not his dream job by any means and he does hate it sometimes, but it's not the worst. So I'd say a somewhat positive neutral.

Genzou: Chose to go into bikes mostly on a whim and because he couldn't think of anything else and really hated it at first when he was in training, but grew to love it and working with his hands in general. He does get a lot of joy out of his work and he loves having his own shop, getting to work with bikes all day. He doesn't enjoy the financial and business aspects of it though and he's often stressed about profits. But the job itself he does enjoy and he even tinkers around on his own personal projects in the shop, too.

Orlam: Hates everything about his job lol. Does it literally because he has nothing else to do but needs the money to pay for rent and food.

Gidget: Certainly believes they want to be a model lol. And I do think they get a lot of pride out of choosing outfits and going in for shoots. But it's not what they'd really like to be doing. Also they need to do a lot of random odd jobs and occasional part-time work to afford it, which they hate.

Bucks: Didn't like working the delivery truck that much, especially because of the weird hours and because she spent most of the time sitting in traffic or driving long hours, so she didn't get to move around much. Does mostly enjoy her manager position though as she's a good manager and it lets her interact more with people and be more active. Is definitely not her dream job though, she wants to be out playing softball or at least doing something physical and active, some kind of team sport or as a trainer, etc.

Hunar: Well, he doesn't really do much in OW. He's a writer and would love to spend his full time writing or being somewhere quiet to think and read, or maybe go on trips or quiet hikes to think up ideas. He's not really able to do this because of Saydie though. And even before that, since Bucks was busy at work, he had to take care of most of the house-related stuff, dealing with finances, mortgages, planning, family stuff, etc.

Cecil: His job is just attending to Gidget??? LOL he knows nothing else, it's what he was manifested for. He loves Gidget very much and enjoys being there for them but is obviously not always keen on their choices.

OK now to OC:

Iggy and Genzou are basically the same re: jobs in OC.

Orlam: Loves his job dearly. It gives him so much energy and makes him feel so important. He gets to meet new people all the time and make grandiose presentations and have lots of luncheons and meetings. It's his dream tbh.

Gidget: Likes their job a lot, but I wouldn't say that it's like... they would definitely do it even if they didn't need the money. I think in an ideal world they would love to just be a full-time volunteer and go around volunteering for all kinds of events and organizations, but they can't, so they also do something where they can be creative in a variety of different ways and work with a lot of people.

(LOL I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC JOBS BUCKS, HUNAR, AND CECIL HAVE IN OC SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME LKDJALDKF)

[just-a-carrot]

I just realized something, Bucks and Hunar are the catalyst of the events in most of your games. Bucks and Hunar’s arguing leads to Bucks going to Wonderland which leads to OW. Hunar was the one wrote the DnD play which led to OFW. And Bucks were the one who invited the others to christmas party, which lead to OC. Yet they still have very little role in any of these games and heck I think Jerry and Cecil got more screen time than these two, like damn.

LOL this is a good point. bucks and hunar are a core part of the group and a main instigator of The Stuff That Happens haha. the biggest issue though is that bucks and hunar have more of Their Own Story while the I-G-Gi-O square are much more codependent in how their stories play out (even if we don't touch the love square part). i contribute a big part of this to bucks not being in the same grade AND the bucks/hunar pairing itself separating them from a lot of the drama since they kinda form their own duo while the other four are Going Through It...

having said that, i do hope the finale will appease some of this. obviously no matter what i do, it will not make it so bucks and hunar have as much screentime as the others LOL because that would mean the finale would need to be like as long as the rest of the game combined and just focused on bucks 🤣 but her story (along with hunar and saydie's) is still one of the core elements (if not the MOST core element) of the OW story, so i hope I can manage to still have her part (and her whole family's part) feel just as important